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André Comte-Sponville, Ayse (commenter), Canada, Dr. Phil, gender, Harvey Mansfield, Jonathan Swift, niceness, Norman Lear, passive aggression, Śāntideva
When asked what makes Canadians different from Americans, many Canadians will respond that Canadians are nicer. I think that this characterization is (as generalizations go) entirely accurate. I’m just not so sure whether it’s a good thing.
Niceness, in my books, is not necessarily a virtue like kindness or gentleness, though it’s also not necessarily a flaw like timidity. Like extraversion, it is a personality trait with its benefits and flaws; the latter tend to receive less attention. I’m not just referring to the view that “nice guys finish last”; one might argue that that’s part of the point of niceness, to be self-sacrificing or altruistic so that others may do better. But even if one would argue that that’s a good thing, there are ways that niceness can hurt others as well as the nice themselves.
Consider the distinction between niceness and gentleness – or more concretely, between the nice guy and the gentleman. While in other respects I was unimpressed with Harvey Mansfield’s talk on manliness, I thought he gave an excellent reply there to a question about the ideal of the gentleman: a gentleman is a proper masculine ideal in that he is gentle because he chooses to be, not because he has to be. The nice guy, on the other hand, is nice by temperament, in a way that makes it difficult for him to avoid.
More generally, to pin these concepts down a bit more, it seems to me that to be nice is to avoid offence to others when possible, whereas to be gentle is to avoid harm. But surely sometimes offence is good – it helps us do good and avoid harm. Jonathan Swift’s Modest Proposal used offence to bring about valuable political change, as (in a different way) did Norman Lear’s All In The Family years later. So too, Ch’an masters are expected to insult and offend their students as a way of bringing about personal change for the better, in a way that a nice person couldn’t do. Dr. Phil‘s approach to therapy seems to be based on the same principle – it’s by being “mean,” the opposite of nice, that he makes people realize they’re screwing their lives up. Only be giving offence can he “tell it like it is.”
Niceness at its best becomes gentleness. André Comte-Sponville refers to la douceur, which could mean gentleness or niceness, as that which is lacking in a train full of soldiers – a group of people who, in other circumstances at least, could surely use a measure of niceness. Where Canadians would do well with a lower dose of niceness, Texans could use more of it.
It’s telling, though, that Comte-Sponville’s douceur literally means “softness”; Śāntideva uses saukum?rya, a Sanskrit word with a similar meaning, to describe the vice present in someone with no patient endurance, no tolerance for pain. The English “nice” doesn’t have quite that negative sense, but it does, I think, involve at least a little bit of fear. The nice guy doesn’t want to give offence, because he wants to avoid confrontation – even when confrontation would be a good thing. Niceness then too easily turns into passive aggression – because one isn’t ready for offence and open confrontation, one causes harm without admitting it.
As the references to nice guys and gentlemen might suggest, gender matters here too. Women are traditionally expected to be douce, to avoid confrontation, in ways that lead to meekness and submissiveness. (The nice guy, unlike the gentleman, is often thought of as effeminate.) My commenter Ayse sensibly took issue before with my previous reversal of Mansfield’s traditional gender roles, where I suggested that women need more patient endurance and men need emotional expression. Here, though, I see another reversal of traditional gender roles that seems in keeping with the spirit of her comment: women typically need to be less nice.
Was Once said:
As an American, I find our need to be right, always.. is one thing that leads to us being seen as less nice(our ego).
Amod Lele said:
Thanks, Was Once, and welcome to the blog! As ASG points out below, Canadians can be collectively egotistical as well – sometimes, I think, we can even be egotistical about our niceness. There’s a healthy balance to be struck somewhere here, and I’m not sure either has achieved it.
elisa freschi said:
does not ‘douceur’ mean “to be soft in regard to someone”? not “to be soft in oneself”? If so, it is quite different from saukum?rya.
Amod Lele said:
You’re right – I should have said “a similar literal meaning,” not just “a similar meaning.” The connotations of the two are different, but I found the etymological connection very interesting – to be soft to others is not so far away from being soft oneself.
michael reidy said:
If you go back a little way with ‘nice’ you will discover that nice has to do with fine discrimination. This sense is preserved in ‘nicety’. The pleasant and agreeable aspect of ‘nice’ comes to the fore in Jane Austen’s use. The Shorter Ox.D. has a great many citations. A feeling about the word is that it has in it that excessive respect and adherence to conventional standards, there is a precision of attentiveness to proper order so to speak. In Indians for instance it comes out as caste identification lest there arise some inappropriate interaction.
I don’t mind the Canadians being nice if it means that saves them from the demented sense of mission of the US. Niceness as appropriate behaviour vis a vis them, the US, should be a broad swathe of non-involvement. Be nice, it’s nice to be nice.
Amod Lele said:
One could, I suppose, see niceness as a sort of Aristotelian excess – better, perhaps, than the corresponding lack (in the other direction), but not nearly as good as the virtuous mean.
Your point about the etymology of “nice” is well taken – the word itself traces itself back to a sort of excessive politeness, an upper-class sense of distinctions. Much as “gentle” would have at one time referred to the noble “gentry.” Nietzsche would not be surprised.
ASG said:
I agree with your general point, but I would be a little more qualified about your opening example. I think the whole ‘niceness’ thing is a fantasy that Canadians have about themselves, and of which liberal Americans and Western Europeans can often be persuaded. It’s a view I subscribed to myself until I moved to the U.S., at which point I realized how freaking arrogant we can be.
On my first pass, I misread Michael Reidy’s comment above this one as saying “I don’t mind the Canadians being nice if it means that saves them from the demented sense of mission to the U.S.,” and I would have agreed wholeheartedly: Canadians are pretty obsessed with expressing their superiority to Americans every chance they get, and sometimes I wish we would just be, um, nicer about that. Their — our — willingness to evangelize to Americans about our health care/multiculturalism/clean subways/slavery-free past/bilingualism/gun control could really make me cringe, despite my own pride in many of those things. More to the point, our confidence in being right all the time often arose out of the same sort of ignorance we tend to ascribe to Americans. Go on, ask an ‘average’ Canadian on the street about the difference between the Midwest and the Deep South and get back to me.
If you’re interested in this topic, you might enjoy the opening essay in an otherwise mediocre book called Why I Hate Canadians by Will Ferguson. Not to derail your post (or Mr. Reidy’s comment), which make good points! I just think the ‘Canadians are nice’ trope is a bit tiring.
Amod Lele said:
Welcome to the blog, ASG! Ferguson’s piece was actually in the back of my mind as I wrote the intro. If I recall correctly, he meets a woman who talks about why she thinks Canadians are so much better than Americans, and she says “we’re nicer.” He basically explodes at her and says something along the lines of “Nicer? Is that all you’ve got?”
As mentioned, niceness is a generalization, and doesn’t always hold up. I live in Massachusetts now, and I’m not as sure I would say there’s a significant difference between people’s niceness here and in Canada. But a few years ago I lived in Texas, where (as a group) they are definitely much less nice, and I rather liked it.
I agree that Canadians can be arrogant and have a curious superiority-inferiority complex with Americans. But I’m not sure that’s incompatible with niceness. There’s a culture in (well, English) Canada of not giving offence, which is significantly less pronounced in much of the US.
Maria said:
I agree with your general point, but the example of being mean to bring a personal change for the better, as you put it, rubs me the wrong way. Given the argument you made, I would expect you to say that it’s important to be gentle rather than nice in order to be able to say what needs to be said instead of hushing it up. That which needs to be said might be offensive (that is, the addressee might take offense with it), but it need not be. I don’t believe in motivation through offence because I seriously doubt its efficiecy, and also because I think people should be motivated to do things for the right reasons, and I have trouble seeing offense as such a reason.
On the other hand, I think satire is ok, even if it involves a reasonable dose of offense. I take it that satire is not exactly in the business of convincing or giving constructive criticism but of drawing attention to an issue.
Amod Lele said:
Thanks, Maria, and welcome to the blog! It will surely depend on the individual case; in some cases, meanness may lead people to withdraw and wall themselves off from advice. But in a lot of other cases (Ch’an masters and Dr. Phil’s successful cases among them) I would argue that meanness serves a function like satire: it draws attention to the problem, in a way that a gentler approach often might not. We very easily get wrapped up in our bad habits, get attached to them and defend them – it sometimes takes some aggression to break through that. The best example that I can think of comes from my personal life, for this is something my ex-wife was very good at: she was not a nice person, and I am a much better person for it. I would lie to myself and rationalize, and she would get angry and refuse to put up with it – make me realize what I was doing wrong, despite my resistance. I needed that, and I am sure that many others – not everyone – need a similar thing. (And to answer the obvious question here, no, this is not the reason she’s now my ex-wife. If anything it’s the opposite – by the time we learned to get along peacefully with each other, the fire had gone out of the relationship. I had learned the things she had to teach me, and vice versa.)