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I attended a great panel yesterday at the Eastern APA. Two of the presentations addressed each other directly on a topic I’ve discussed before: skepticism in Indian thought. The presenters, Ethan Mills and Laura Guererro of the University of New Mexico, had clearly been engaged in a longstanding debate with each other on the subject beforehand, which I think helped sharpen their thoughts nicely for the talk.
Mills presented on Jayarāśi, whose Tattvopaplavasiṃha (“The Lion that Afflicts Categories”) is the only extant full text attributed to a member of the Cārvāka-Lokāyata, the atheist and materialist school of ancient Indian thought. But Jayarāśi takes the Cārvāka school’s thought much further than it is usually thought to go. Whereas this materialist school is normally understood to merely deny the existence of gods and karma, Jayarāśi denies the existence of pretty much everything. Previous Cārvākas were said to believe that the world was made up entirely of the four elements; Jayarāśi says, “Even the view of world as elements is not well established. How much less are all the others?” He is, in short, a skeptic.
A much better known form of Indian skepticism belongs to the Prāsaṅgika Madhyamaka Buddhists like Candrakīrti; but as it turns out, the similarities between Candrakīrti and Jayarāśi run deep. According to Mills, Jayarāśi is a vaitaṇḍika, one who relies entirely on vitaṇḍā arguments. And as Mills explained it, a vitanda is exactly the same as a prasaṅga – the kind of argument from which the Prāsaṅgikas take their name, where one knocks down others’ positions but (one claims) does not establish a position of one’s own. Jayarāśi claims to do the exact same thing, to have no position. In effect, Jayarāśi is a Prāsaṅgika – but not a Prāsaṅgika Buddhist. And this distinction is crucially important.
For there is a drastic distinction between Jayarāśi and Candrakīrti, which lies in the question: what is this skepticism supposed to accomplish? Both Jayarāśi and Candrakīrti state firmly that one who becomes a skeptic will reap marvelous beneficial spiritual consequences. The problem, I noted to Mills, is that these claimed beneficial consequences are exactly the opposite of one another! For Jayarāśi, skepticism is valuable because it gets rid of our theoretical natterings and leaves us to enjoy everyday life: “When knowledge is destroyed in this way, everyday practices are made delightful because they are not deliberated.” Practically speaking, it leaves us merely with common sense, in the basic and problematic sense of the prejudices with which we began our inquiries. But for Candrakīrti, everyday life is itself part of the harmful conduct that skepticism allows us to transcend.
Guerrero’s talk took a similar general direction. Guerrero made a constructive argument that Buddhists should properly not be skeptics. In a certain respect she agreed with Jayarāśi: skepticism leads us to accept everyday practice, our conventional inclinations and habits. But the whole point of Buddhism, she pointed out – I think rightly – is to get us out of those everyday inclinations and habits, which mire us in suffering. Buddhism is a critique of the very everyday life, the very common sense, that Jayarāśi’s skepticism enshrines.
Here, I offered an account of how one might defend a Buddhist skepticism – developing the ideas at the end of my previous post on skepticism. I based the account on Śāntideva’s Bodhicaryāvatāra, which was the topic of another presenter (Stephen Harris). In Śāntideva, the skeptical Prāsaṅgika epistemology comes near the end of the text, after all the chapters on ethical self-cultivation. This isn’t the connection we expect in Western philosophy: one would think that you start with epistemology as a foundation on which you later establish ethics. But I suspect that for Śāntideva (as for Nāgārjuna), skepticism without prior habits of self-cultivation – probably going all the way to monasticism – is a snake wrongly grasped. Because what skepticism does, it seems to me, is enshrine one’s existing habits. Without beliefs, one has no way to challenge one’s existing practices; skepticism enshrines what one is already doing. And so the matter of utmost importance to any prospective skeptic is: what kind of life is one living when one becomes a skeptic? If one adopts skeptical beliefs without a change in habit, one winds up permanently where Jayarāśi is – something that Śāntideva and Candrakīrti would consider a disaster. But if one has already been carefully practising the bodhisattva path and then becomes a skeptic, then skepticism can keep one on that habitual path.
As well as this practical difference, there’s also a strong theoretical difference between the skepticisms of Candrakīrti and Jayarāśi. I think the difference ties closely to a distinction, made popular by the Tibetan Gelug school of Tsong kha pa, between theoretical ignorance (kun brtags kyi ma rig pa) and innate ignorance (lhan skyes ma rig pa). Tsong kha pa tells us that whatever theoretical misconceptions might be given us by our philosophical systems (like the Upaniṣads’ eternal ātman), there is a deeper misconception we always grow up with (like the everyday belief in a self). Jayarāśi’s skepticism is targeted only at theoretical ignorance, and thereby comes all too close to a certain kind of contemporary know-nothingism: if only we could shut up the ramblings of those idiot philosophers, we could just get on with our commonsense everyday lives. Candrakīrti’s, on the other hand, critiques innate ignorance. In doing so, he acknowledges backhandedly (and appropriately) that his philosophical opponents have some sort of point: whatever misconceptions they might be spread, the misconceptions spread by “common sense” are at least as bad. Without philosophy, we are mired in ignorance far more deeply than we are with it.
This is an interesting post, Amod. I know very little about skepticism, but I have just finished reading a fun biography on Montaigne (Hartwell; How to Live: A life of Montaigne). Pyrrhonist Skepticism is an element in his Essays (and interestingly, it seems that Pyrrho studied with the “gymnosophists” in India and brought Eastern influences back to Greece — although the connection is obscure). This is not news to you, I expect — although I found it interesting.
I tend to disagree that skepticism (at least Buddhist skepticism) “enshrines” existing habits. Habits are based on unexamined beliefs — rather than a residual state of being that is free from beliefs. The Buddhist “path of accummulation” is essential and is a process of replacing “bad” habits with “good” habits — but the path ultimately has to transcend all habits.
1. The only ground we have for associating Jayarasi Bhatta with the Carvaka school of thought is provided by the few respectful references in his text to Brihaspati, the legendary founder of that school.
2. The naturalism and physicalism of the Carvaka school and their espousal of perception as the basic means of knowledge was the basis of their rejection of Vedic metaphysics and rituals. The views of the Carvaka are logically incompatible with any kind of absolute skepticism. So, if Jayarasi was an absolute skeptic who denied the possibility of knowledge on the grounds of his alleged refutation of the validity or reliability of all means of knowledge, he could not have subscribed to the views of the Carvaka on pain of incoherence. And he can’t possibly be extending or developing Carvaka thought in any sense.
3. K.K. Dixit observes in his paper “The Ideological Affiliation of Jayarasi” that “…Jayarasi seems to have been some kind of worshipper of commonsense…which might explain his antipathy towards the ivory-tower philosophies of the scholarly world” (Carvaka/Lokayata: An Anthology of Source Materials And Some Recent Studies). But this view is at odds with Jayarasi’s skeptical attack on all means of knowledge including perception.
4. The lunacy of JB’s program of “annihilating” all the Tattvas, or realities, or “categories” should be evident even to the foolish. They are still with us and continue to be the means by which an unprecedented amount of knowledge about the world, the extent of which is way beyond the grasp of Jayarasi’s confused intellect, has been accumulating. Jayarasi should have set himself the goal of annihilating his own shadow!
5. Further, in order to refute, as he seeks to and thinks he has successfully done so, the views and arguments of the Nyaya, the Jain, and the Buddhist philosophers and so on, he must accept principles of inference and evidence.
Refutation is done in two ways: a) by presenting evidence against a view or argument, and/or b) by showing inconsistency or contradiction in a view or argument. For obvious reasons, both (a) and (b) are not possible in terms of JB’s absolute skepticism.
6. Curiously, JB’s foolishness, or perhaps lunacy, is evident from one simple fact about his sole surviving text: his reference to Brihaspati as “the knower of the summum bonum” or “paramarthavid”. So, our “absolute skeptic” believed not only in the existence of Brihaspati but also that this Brihaspati knew the summum bonum! This of course entails that there can be knowledge of the summum bonum, an entailment sufficient to demolish JB’s absolute skepticism! The entailment of Brihaspati’s existence ensures that the rubble of JB’s absolute skepticism is pulverized to dust! A fitting conclusion to an absurd project!
Brihaspati must have turned with torment in his grave at Jayarasi’s invocation of his name!
Jayarasi must take it for granted that he Knows the views and arguments on the pramanas, or the means of knowledge, of the various schools, e.g., Nyaya, Buddhist idealism, etc., he seeks to refute. He could have known this only by the very means of knowledge he attacks. So, his position undermines itself.
For Jayarāśi, skepticism is valuable because it gets rid of our theoretical natterings and leaves us to enjoy everyday life: “When knowledge is destroyed in this way, everyday practices are made delightful because they are not deliberated.”
Jayarasi didn’t know (how could he possibly know anything, eh?)that “everyday practices” are based on and require knowledge for their success? And he didn’t know that his claim “When knowledge is destroyed in this way, everyday practices are made delightful because they are not deliberated.” is itself a knowledge claim?
Thank you, Amod and commenters for your thoughts. I really appreciate it. Now that I’ve had some time to think about these posts, I’ll offer some of my own thoughts.
Concerning Jayarāśi’s affiliation, the usual argument against him being a Cārvāka is, as Thill points out, that he does not fit the usual definition of the Cārvākas as accepting perception as the only means of knowledge and accepting a materialist metaphysics. This is roughly the Cārvāka view found in Mādhava’s Sarvadarśanasaṃgraha. But I think there is plenty of evidence that there were other kinds of Cārvākas as well. As K.N. Jayatilleke argues in Early Buddhist Theory of Knowledge, there were at least three sub-schools of Cārvāka: the usual view just mentioned, a school that accepted a limited form of inference (represented by Purandara, whose views are discussed in Jayanta’s Nyāyamañjarī) and a skeptical school represented by Jayarāśi.
If there can be sub-schools of Mīmāmsā, Vedānta and Buddhism, why can’t we have sub-schools of Cārvāka as well? And if there can be skeptical Buddhists who don’t ultimately accept even standard Buddhist theoretical views, why can’t there be Cārvākas who don’t ultimately accept standard Cārvāka theories?
Now, what sense does it make to call Jayarāśi a Cārvāka? On my reading, he “out-Bṛhaspatis” Bṛhaspati. He takes all the destructive analyses of traditional Cārvāka and admits that they ultimately turn on themselves as well. In some sense, I see him as just pushing his destruction to its logical end. Far from being inconsistent and stopping at some arbitrary point, this is the most consistent philosophical destruction I can imagine!
Of course, there is the charge of self-refutation, which has been raised from ancient Greece and India up to Neocārvāka on this blog. I think I can get Jayarāśi out of this by reading him as a sort of contextualist. He shows that epistemological and metaphysical theories undermine themselves in a philosophical context if you push your analyses far enough. If you don’t push these analyses so far, if you just stick to an everyday context (vyavahāra), then maybe there’s no problem and you can just go on with your life without worrying about whether you “really” know things in some robust philosophical sense. This is how I interpret the quote from the end of his text: ““When, in this way, the principles are entirely destroyed, all everyday practices are made delightful, because they are not deliberated.”
But again, you might wonder what makes this a Cārvāka thing to do. I think Jayarāśi means to totally demolish the whole idea of using epistemology to bolster religious worldviews (which of course was the typical use of epistemology in his day – c. 9th century). Once you give up the attempt to establish the reality of the soul, rebirth, Four Noble Truths, etc., you are free to live a happy, worry-free life. And this seems to me a Cārvāka way of life, albeit one without any pretense of resting on firm philosophical foundations.
Also, to answer jabali108, even regular Cārvākas admit that we act in the world without philosophically-certain inferences. Jayarāśi simply pushes this one step further. We don’t need anything approaching the maniacal certainty pursued by philosophers to get by in life. Everyday contextual “knowledge” will do fine, as long as we resist the temptation to push it toward some philosophical theory. This is very similar to Sextus Empiricus on the question of how skeptics can act without beliefs by following appearances.
I really appreciated Amod’s question at the panel about what makes Jayarāśi different than Candrakīrti and I didn’t do a very good job of answering it, so let me give another stab at it here. The suggestion about habits is very similar to what I’ve been thinking, only I would maybe suggest that they are using similar skeptical strategies (and in at least one case, a very similar argument against Dignāga), but toward the pursuit of different ways of life. Candrakīrti is writing within a Buddhist context and in my opinion picking up quite consciously on the quietist strains of Buddhism that have been present from the beginning and also on the idea that there are different levels of discourse. My friend and colleague Laura has been raising excellent objections against Buddhist skepticism for awhile. The skeptical move is certainly a strange thing to do. But I see two phases of Madhyamaka activity: a phase in which emptiness is established as a philosophical view and a second phase in which is it demonstrated that emptiness purges itself, leaving a thorough Mādhyamika without any views or theses at all. Most Buddhist philosophy happens in the first phase (in which one is free to argue for Buddhism and against other views), but there’s another, skeptical step. Now, it may be that Laura is right that this is a bad interpretation of Buddhism. But I don’t think it’s crazy or anachronistic to say that some Buddhists thought that the end of conceptualization, even about Buddhism itself, is the ultimate goal of Buddhism.
A thoroughly purged Mādhyamika would still probably act like a Buddhist, but would lose any real belief in Buddhism with the possible exception of a kind of Rortian irony. Similarly, a Jayarāśian Cārvāka might ironically engage with the world as a Cārvāka, but would lose the need to establish Cārvāka views, which would open this person up to a way of life free from philosophy or religion.
I personally think this kind of skepticism is a possible way of life for human beings (contra arguments such as M. F. Burnyeat’s that Pyrrhonism is impossible to practice). I do, however, think only an exceptionally strange and gifted person would be either willing or able to practice such ways of life. I don’t think I’d be willing or able to do it full-time, although I’m just strange enough to see the appeal of such a way of life. If you don’t get it or want it (as most people don’t), that’s fine. Such skeptics are simply not interested in giving normative philosophical arguments for their ways of life (although they may do so at a more everyday level).
The most fascinating thing for me as a philosopher is that I think there’s something about the structure of human rationality or the idea of philosophy itself that gives rise the contradictions that make this kind of skepticism possible. But I’d better stop here before I write my whole dissertation!
“If there can be sub-schools of Mīmāmsā, Vedānta and Buddhism, why can’t we have sub-schools of Cārvāka as well? And if there can be skeptical Buddhists who don’t ultimately accept even standard Buddhist theoretical views, why can’t there be Cārvākas who don’t ultimately accept standard Cārvāka theories?”
To classify something as a school or sub-school of Carvaka, we need a criterion, or criteria, of identifying something as Carvaka in the first place. What is your proposal?
Eli Franco suggests that “… in ethical matters and in anti-clerical attitude, which formed the hard cord of the Lokāyata, Jayarāśi remained a true heir of Bṛhaspati” (Perception, Knowledge and Disbelief, p. 47). I think those are pretty good criteria. I would add that ethics here would mean something more like a way of life than a sense of ethics as involving the acceptance of some ethical theory. Of course, it may be that you can’t have a way of life without accepting some theory (as many people would say). I think it’s logically possible to live a way of life without engaging in philosophical theorizing. What I’m not sure about is whether such a way of life is desirable. I want to think philosophy is good for something, even if it’s not going to do nearly as much as most philosophers seem to think.
Great to see you commenting on the blog, Ethan! I hope you’ll stick around. (I’ll be making new posts again starting in Feb, but the comments are turning out to be very active in the meantime!)
How sure are you that Jayarashi’s ethical views paralleled the rest of the Lokayata? I think there’s some reason to believe that the classical Lokayatas, strangely enough, were renouncers of some sort themselves. The Mahabharata – in the Shakuntala episdoe I think – describes an ashram so cosmopolitan that it has residents of every school, including Jains, Buddhists, and… Lokayatas. Moreover, one of the Buddha’s nemeses in the Samannaphala Sutta – Ajita Kesakambali I think? – seems to be advocating a fairly materialist worldview of the kind associated with the Lokayatas, but his lifestyle is portrayed just as monastic as Mahavira’s. (At least, that’s my memory of those texts, don’t have them in front of me right now.) We might have reason to suspect, then, that Brhaspati was a world-renouncer of some stripe, rather far removed from what Jayarashi seems to be advocating.
Thanks, Amod. It’s been very helpful so far, although I’m afraid I’m writing too much!
We don’t really know the social conditions of ancient Cārvākas, but it is possible they had schools and that some were renunciants of some sort. There may have been communities of Cārvākas just as there were communities of Platonists and Stoics in the Hellenistic world. One thought I’ve had is that the term “Cārvāka” in some cases may have simply been a catch-all term for people who denied rebirth and gods. Like calling someone an “atheist” today, it’s doesn’t really tell you too much about what else they believe or what they do.
The Pali Canon is online! http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.02.0.than.html
The Samaññaphala Sutta is a great source for very early philosophy. I don’t think that Kesakambali is necessarily a renunciant in any traditional sense. It’s hard to tell from the text, but he could just be a well-known materialist teacher. This text also includes Sañjaya Belathiputta, an early sort of skeptic.
As for the Mahabharata, given the inclusivism of a lot of Hinduism, it’s not too much of a stretch that they might even keep a few Cārvākas around. I also read somewhere that Akbar entertained Cārvākas in his court in the sixteenth century. As much as they were vilified in religious texts, they may have been part of society. I’d like to imagine a “village Cārvāka” like “crazy ol’ Devadatta the Cārvāka” who hangs out harassing the faithful.
“If you don’t push these analyses so far, if you just stick to an everyday context (vyavahāra), then maybe there’s no problem and you can just go on with your life without worrying about whether you “really” know things in some robust philosophical sense.”
What, if any, is the difference between knowing things in the plain ordinary sense and “really” knowing things in some robust philosophical sense”?
Good question! This is one really good way to criticize Jayarāśi’s project. I’ve been doing epistemology long enough to really wonder if it has any relation to knowledge talk in the real world. A similar idea is put forward by Michael Williams in contemporary epistemology. He suggests that there’s some bit of theory epistemologists accept that leads them to worry about external world skepticism and other such problems. He calls this (somewhat confusingly) “epistemological realism,” which is not the opposite of idealism, but rather realism about the OBJECTS of epistemological theory. Williams denies, for instance, that there is some theoretical object called “knowledge of the external world” that’s worth worrying about. He thinks that once you deny this, you won’t worry about most traditional epistemological problems anymore.
I see Jayarāśi as doing something somewhat similar, only he’s denying the epistemological realism of the Indian tradition by claiming that we have no good reason to worry about things called pramāṇas. Unlike Williams, who puts forward a contextualist theory of knowledge, Jayarāśi uses this denial to purge the urge to do epistemology at all. This isn’t a knowledge claim for Jayarāśi, but a use of language to get you to stop worrying about something.
What I’m not sure about is whether Jayarāśi might actually accept regular knowledge claims as long as he’s not doing philosophy, or whether he only “ironically” engages in epistemic talk even in non-philosophical contexts. He simply doesn’t say enough in his text about what he’s doing, which makes my job of trying to make sense of it both fun and frustrating.
Further, if Jayarasi’s position is self-refuting, this entails at least that he has not refuted the views of the Nyaya, etc., as he fondly imagines to have done.
I should make my answer to self-refutation on Jayarāśi’s behalf a bit more clear. Specifically, there’s no self-refutation because Jayarāśi enters no positive claims in an epistemological context to contradict his negative claims. That’s the whole idea of vitaṇḍā or prasaṅga argumentation. In some sense, Jayarāśi makes no philosophical claims at all, either positive or negative, if you take a claim to be a truth-claim that some statement is either true or false. Like other ancient skeptics (an in opposition to modern skepticism, such as skepticism about induction, the external world, etc.), he’s using language to do something quite different than the usual philosophical use of making truth-claims and supporting theories. Whereas modern skepticism is an argument with the conclusion that such-and-such is unknowable, ancient skeptics such as Sextus, Nāgārjuna and Jayarāśi use language in a therapeutic mode to purge us of the impulse to engage in philosophy (Indian skepticism is more thoroughly negative on this point than the equipollence of two views aimed at by Pyrrhonists, but the effect is similar). This is a kind of skepticism about philosophy itself. To hold such skeptics to the usual standards of philosophical argumentation is a hermeneutic mistake. Of course, it may be that what they’re doing is UNDESIRABLE for whatever reason, but to claim that it’s self-refuting is a category mistake. To use a metaphor that Harald Thorsrud used about Pyrrhonism, to say that this sort of skeptical attitude or activity is self-refuting is like saying that riding a bicycle is self-refuting. Or, as Michael Williams has put it, Pyrrhonism (and I add Indian skepticism, too) is purely practical, having no theoretical component at all.
How do you reconcile Jayarasi’ skepticism with
the following?
A. His claim that Brihaspati is a knower of the summum bonum.
B. His identification of the tenets and arguments of other philosophical schools.
Doesn’t correct identification or attribution of such tenets and arguments to those schools imply knowledge and complex knowledge at that on his part? How can he coherently claim to have refuted those schools if he doesn’t take for granted that he knows what those schools are claiming?
Good points. The first thing to realize is that Jayarāśi is a trickster. A lot (and maybe even most) of what he says is extremely ironic, which makes his text a lot more fun to read than most classical Indian texts (although I did find an amusing pun in Dharmakīrti once!). He also calls Bṛhaspati the “teacher of the gods” (suraguru). Some people say this means he can’t be a Cārvāka, since it accepts the existence of gods, but this is, in my humble opinion, a very short-sighted way of looking at it. For one thing, “suraguru” is (according to Monier-Williams) an epithet for Bṛhaspati, so calling him that no more commits one to the existence of the gods than calling someone “Devadatta” or “Immanuel.” It’s just a name. But I think Jayarāśi uses that name and others (such as “paramarthavid”) with a wry smile on his face. Contrary to what many postmodernists seem to believe, irony was not invented in the 20th century.
Similarly with his “knowledge” of other schools (which is quite extensive). Here I see him saying, with a derisive cackle, “Here’s what you claim to know and here’s why it falls apart given things that you yourself claim to accept.” He himself need not be entering any philosophical knowledge claims to say that. He’s really just using the vitaṇḍā or prasaṅga method, which had been present in India arguably since the time of the Buddha (see the “eel-wrigglers”). Now, you might not buy that this method is possible, but Jayarāśi is trying to use it to serve his Cārvāka sympathies.
Two more ideas I’ve been kicking around (for when I change my mind!) are that it’s possible that Jayarāśi actually means for his text to be taken as self-refuting or that he does accept some kind of philosophical knowledge that just falls short of the certainty required by pramāṇa theory. The first option would be that he accepts that his work is self-refuting, but that that’s actually the point, especially if you accept that all the other theories he discusses are also self-refuting. This is similar to things that Sextus and Candrakīrti say about their work as a purgative drug.
On the second option, Jayarāśi would be somewhat similar to Academic skeptics such as Carneades who claim that they don’t KNOW that knowledge is impossible, but rather have a pervasive intellectual apprehension that it’s impossible, because, after all, nobody’s really figured out a completely coherent epistemology YET, although it’s possible they may do so in the future. This allows for a sort of probable knowledge. I personally like this view, since the whole history of philosophy provides ample evidence for the lack of any truly coherent philosophical theory, but really we just have no way of knowing (or “knowing”!) if this is what Jayarāśi had in mind. He would probably laugh at me for worrying about it!
How would you substantiate your reading of Jayarasi as an “ironist”? Are you remaking him in the image of Rorty’s beloved philosopher?
I find it far-fetched to hold that the use of “Paramarthavid” was ironical since there is no other relevant claim in the text which could support this attribution of irony to Jayarasi in this context.
The text says very little about what Jayarāśi thinks he’s doing, so I’m relying on the principle of charity to answer the question, “Why would an intelligent, rational person say all these crazy-sounding things?” I’m giving one possible answer to that question, one that I think is more interesting than simply writing him off as an incoherent buffoon who was somehow smart enough to understand Dharmakīrti but not smart enough to notice a basic logical fallacy. Does this prove that he’s not an incoherent buffoon? Of course not. But it gives another option to consider.
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