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Aristotle, Damien Keown, Evan Thompson, Martha Nussbaum, modernity, rebirth, Śāntideva, Seth Zuihō Segall
Friend of this blog Seth Zuihō Segall has a new book out entitled Buddhism and Human Flourishing, which he kindly sent me a pre-print review copy of. There is much to like in the book and I am very sympathetic to it. Indeed, my first worry about the book was that I would be too sympathetic. For the basic idea of the book – a modern Buddhist ethics understood in roughly Aristotelian terms – is quite close to the book I have been starting to work on writing myself. Did Segall scoop me?
Having read the book, I think this is not the case: my take on Buddhist ethics does turn out to be significantly different from his. To an outsider this will no doubt look like the narcissism of small differences, but that is probably in the nature of scholarly disagreement. We are indeed both Aristotelian Buddhists who deemphasize rebirth – a kinship I already pointed to in my review of Evan Thompson’s book. And we both take a constructive perspective, arguing for this Aristotelian Buddhism – in contrast to Damien Keown, say, who aims to identify similarities between Buddhism and Aristotle but does not endorse this position. Keown rightly points to the need for the study of Buddhist ethics to move beyond mere descriptive ethics, but he only moves to meta-ethics and not to normative ethics, thus still putting his work in ethics studies rather than of ethics proper. Segall and I, by contrast, are explicitly normative about our modern Aristotelian Buddhism. So we are on the same page in many respects. I’m also delighted to see him cite Love of All Wisdom twice in the book (though, interestingly to me, neither citation is about either Buddhism or Aristotle).
All of that said, I have some significant differences with Segall’s approach. Core to this: I think Segall is too ready to take the views and attitudes current in the modern West as given by default. I think it is important to engage more critically with those views and attitudes – both to endorse them and to reject them.
On the side of endorsing modern Western views: Segall and I are in agreement in leaving rebirth out of our conception of Buddhism. But in my view, he puts the point much too weakly: “Please note that my argument is not that rebirth is untrue, but only that most Westerners don’t find it compelling due to their preexisting prior beliefs.” (7) I don’t think this is enough. On normative questions, there could be a case made that different ways of life are appropriate to the different values and customs of different societies. I don’t think such a case can be made about whether people’s mental states transmigrate after death into a new birth. Either we get reborn or we don’t! One way or another, rebirth or its absence applies to everyone: I have never heard anybody make the claim that Tibetans get reborn but Canadians don’t.
So I don’t think it is appropriate to say, “If someone else finds the traditional model more compelling, more consistent with his or her understanding of the world, and more inspiring for practice, then the traditional model might be the best model for that person.” (69-70) Either human beings are reborn according to the traditional model or we aren’t. From the psychological evidence I have seen so far, it appears that we aren’t; the case for rebirth looks a lot like creationism, adhering to a major traditional doctrine that scientific evidence rejects. I don’t think we should say that “the traditional model” of creationism is better than evolution for people who find that “more consistent with their understanding of the world”. Those creationists are wrong, and should be regarded like anti-vaxxers, flat earthers, and others who hold demonstrably false beliefs. If we indeed aren’t reborn, the traditional model needs rethinking – or if it turns out we are, then Segall’s and my model of the psyche needs even more rethinking. One way or another, rebirth is no more culturally relative than the existence of the pancreas.
On the flip side, the side of rejecting Western views: Segall says his model “restricts itself to the kinds of claims that modern Westerners can potentially endorse without reservation.” (172) If we modern Westerners have reservations about endorsing anything, it seems, then it has to go.
And I think there is a big problem with such an approach. If your Buddhism restricts itself to only those things that “modern Westerners can potentially endorse without reservation”, then it becomes reasonable to ask (as David Chapman and Evan Thompson effectively both do, in different ways) why we should even bother with Buddhism at all – what difference it makes to be a Buddhist, as opposed to “(say) a non-Buddhist college-educated left-leaning Californian.”
I think Buddhism does offer a number of important ideas that will give modern Westerners lots of reservations, such as the rejection of righteous anger, the dangers of political participation, the detached attitude to time and material goods. And I think it is important that modern Westerners have reservations about these ideas, for I think the reservations themselves indicate that the texts have something to teach us – that we may have something to learn from them that we didn’t already know. The most valuable lessons a tradition has to teach us are the ones that we first have reservations about, that first look implausible and unappealing. Once we have investigated those ideas further, we may continue to find many of them unappealing, but we may also find some of them more plausible than they did at first glance, and it is in that respect that the tradition can genuinely change us for the better. If we restrict ourselves to the uncontroversial views that we can potentially endorse without reservation, we close ourselves off to that kind of learning, and I think that is a tragic loss.
So Segall makes some reference to the kinds of conflicts that my dissertation explored, between a classical Buddhist view typified by Śāntideva and a modern Western one typified by Martha Nussbaum. His method effectively assumes Nussbaum’s position and dispenses with Śāntideva’s: “As practicing Buddhists, most of us want to become the best human beings we can possibly be. We don’t want to lose our humanity in the process.” (161) But Śāntideva’s point, on some level, is that we’re wrong not to want to lose our humanity in key senses (of partiality to particular relationships, in the case that Segall is discussing). Our wants are part of the problem. I do disagree with Śāntideva, and agree with Segall and Nussbaum, on this point – for reasons that happen to put me closer to a classical Chinese philosopher than to a modern Western one. The important thing, though, is that we modern Westerners provide reasons for our disagreement with a classical thinker – while we try to understand that thinker’s reasons for disagreeing with us. We must not just assume the rightness of the modern Western view.
There are many questions, like rebirth, where I think a typical modern Western view is right, and a view like Śāntideva’s wrong. But having read Śāntideva in detail, I have also found questions on which I think the moderns are wrong and he is right. A crucial part of a cross-cultural philosopher’s work is to aim to identify which is which. That work is not easy to do, but that doesn’t make it any less important. Now there are also many questions on which ancients and moderns can find relatively easy agreement, and I think Segall does a wonderful job of finding those. But we need to push into the disagreements as well. That way we can do the crucial work of allowing modern Western views to change.
Seth Zuiho Segall said:
Amod, first of all let me thank you for taking the time to carefully read my book and delineate the points where we might diverge. I am pleased to have you as an interlocutor in this ongoing conversation about Aristotle and Buddhist modernism. I want to take the time to carefully explore some of the reasons why I think we may differ on the points you mention. In exploring these differences, I am not so much interested in defending my views as I am in trying to tease out our differences and similarities so that they become clearer. Allow me to take them one by one. The quotes at the beginning of paragraphs 2-4 are either quotes from my book that you cite, or quotes from your review.
1) Regarding reincarnation, I take the stand that rebirth is not something that I can convince myself of. I don’t think the Buddhist tradition has given me a convincing argument as to why I should abandon my lightly held belief that when I die, my conscious stream will most likely cease. On the other hand, I also am not aware of any convincing arguments that rebirth must be false. The strongest argument is that rebirth is inconsistent with the story science tells us about consciousness and materiality. Fair enough. But I also am not convinced by the story science tells about consciousness and materiality. I deeply suspect there is something fundamentally wrong with science’s current story, although I am not committed to any alternative stories. I am happy to leave this question open and admit that I don’t know what the real relationship between consciousness and materiality is. When it comes to rebirth, all I can say is that I find it highly implausible—I can’t base my philosophy how to best live my life on it’s being true—it’s too weak a reed to bear the weight—and then search for what does feel solid enough to erect my personal philosophy on. That is why I don’t share your view that a belief in rebirth is simply wrong, rather like being a flat-earther or an anti-vaxxer.
2) “If someone else finds the traditional model more compelling, more consistent with his or her understanding of the world, and more inspiring for practice, then the traditional model might be the best model for that person.”
Amod, in stating this, I am, following William James’s lead, both as a pluralist and a pragmatist. I think there are many different paths that can lead to the instantiation of the virtues. As a Buddhist priest I interact regularly with Protestant ministers, Catholic priests, Muslim imams, and Jewish rabbis, and while I do not find their religious beliefs compelling, I believe their faiths have led them to good, worthwhile and virtuous lives. As a hospital pastoral care provider I minister to patients of all faiths, and I have been impressed at how their faiths shape their own understanding of the virtues and contribute to making their lives admirable. So, if you are a person who finds a belief in rebirth compelling, and if you find that a belief in rebirth inspires you to practice being more compassionate to others, I have no quarrel with you. Please continue. The only statement I am willing to make without hesitation is that a belief in rebirth (let’s just use “rebirth” here as a stand-in for all the parts of Buddhism I happen to disagree with) doesn’t work for me, and I expect it won’t work for the majority of modern Westerners. I don’t want to be imperialistic about my beliefs. My attitude is, “this is what works for me,” and if you are feeling the same kind of dissonance with aspects of the Buddhist tradition, see if it works for you, too. On the other hand, I would never want to tell the Dalai Lama that he is practicing Buddhism wrong.
3) “On the flip side, the side of rejecting Western views: Segall says his model “restricts itself to the kinds of claims that modern Westerners can potentially endorse without reservation.”
Amod, this statement was intended to mean the following: I think most modern Westerners could endorse my model without hesitation because my model is minimalist and as metaphysically neutral as possible. It could be endorsed by both atheists and theists because it makes no claims or disclaimers about God, and it could be endorsed by metaphysical materialists, idealists, dualists, or whatever because it makes no claims about the ultimate nature of stuff. It only makes claims about what it means to lead a good, happy, and worthwhile life. I then suggest that if you want to believe more than my minimalist theory—things that most Westerners could not endorse—if you want to add on states of perfect enlightenment or cosmological bodhisattvas, you are welcome to them. My model doesn’t preclude them—it doesn’t put a limit on what’s possible, it just doesn’t endorse these other things.
I am not saying here that there are no problematic Western ideas, and that we should adjust Buddhism to fit every Western notion. In fact, my book starts with the premise that the reason we find Buddhism attractive is we are dissatisfied with some portions of our Western cultural heritage. Let’s just mention for starters its hyper-individualism, hyper-rationalism, alienation from Nature, and self-alienation due to its lack of proper grounding in the human experiential process. I think modern Western science is on the wrong foot in its insistence on a clockwork universe which leaves no room for purpose, intention, awareness, or any grounding for moral and aesthetic values. I say this as a scientist who is appreciative of science as a body of knowledge, as a means of intersubjectively determining facts, and as a vehicle for advancing progress. I love science, but science is not the final arbiter of everything.
When it comes to your example of “righteous anger” I agree with you that Buddhism can help us interrogate that notion and, in fact, devote a subchapter to that topic. There is much in Buddhism that can help us question the values we have inherited from our culture. I also agree that Buddhism can help us question our culture of acquisition, consumerism and celebrity. This is all my way of saying that I think you read too much into my statement that my Buddhism restricts itself to claims modern westerners can endorse. I was thinking here mostly of just metaphysical claims—the statement occurs in my chapter on metaphysics.
4) “His method effectively assumes Nussbaum’s position and dispenses with Śāntideva’s: “As practicing Buddhists, most of us want to become the best human beings we can possibly be. We don’t want to lose our humanity in the process.” (161) But Śāntideva’s point, on some level, is that we’re wrong not to want to lose our humanity in key senses (of partiality to particular relationships, in the case that Segall is discussing). Our wants are part of the problem. I do disagree with Śāntideva, and agree with Segall and Nussbaum, on this point… The important thing, though, is that we modern Westerners provide reasons for our disagreement with a classical thinker – while we try to understand that thinker’s reasons for disagreeing with us. We must not just assume the rightness of the modern Western view.”
I think we are in agreement here. The purpose of reading great philosophers is to inhabit the visions of great thinkers and understand what they are saying from their own point of view as a way of broadening our own perspective. We want to be challenged and grow. But I am a bit of an essentialist when it comes to human nature. I do not agree with Rorty when he says that “there is such a thing as ‘human nature’” and that “socialization, and thus historical circumstance, goes all the way down—that there is nothing ‘beneath’ socialization or prior to history which is definatory of the human.” While I think that there is much about ourselves that could and should change, I do not think we are infinitely malleable. So I think that a greater attachment to family and friends than to strangers is part of what it means to be human, and I see urging us to love everyone the same as a fool’s errand. On the other hand, saying that we ought to overcome partiality to kin and clan sufficiently to recognize what all humans have in common and try to develop a default attitude of good will to all is a worthwhile project. Lovingkindness and compassion meditation have much to teach us—we are way too self-centered and too callous in our treatment of “the other”— let’s just be careful and not take things to the other extreme and think we can obliterate what Nature has bestowed to create our own version of the “New Soviet Man.”
Amod Lele said:
Thank you, Seth. I appreciate the responses. I started writing a reply here and then realized that response was likely going to be long enough to merit its own post. So I will plan on continuing this dialogue in that way.
Seth Zuiho Segall said:
Great, Amod. Looking forward. By the way, there is a typo in my Rorty quote above—Rorty was saying there is no such thing as “human nature.” My quote has him saying the opposite.
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